i dont think nobody wastes time to read his email nontheless iam tirred of deleting his email twice in a day.his ideas really suck. pain in the butt!

I have notified Paramendra dai of this, requesting him to take off from his mailing list all email addresses he has added from the SEBS directory. I will let everyone here know when I hear back. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I honestly hope this does not discourage others from updating their profiles. Let's work together to keep the profiles updated -- we will do everything possible to prevent misuse.

Yubraj

General Secretary, SEBS-North America

Paramendra Dai,

I personally do not have problem with couple of additional junk mails, but after reading your comment on a genuine problem I am forced to say that you are trying to ignore the real issue here. I do not believe that you have failed to understand the real concern raised here. I think you are too smart for that. The issue here is not about how big your group is, what the frequency of your e-mail is or even what inconvenience the unfortunate receiver has, but after your reply I am convinced that you misused the sebsonline e-mail directory and now you are refusing to either accept the mistake or fix the problem.

I hope you will realize that the directory serves greater purpose most of the time. For somebody like me trying to come up with batch profiles or somebody trying to locate a long lost friend the directory is an essential tool. If members start misusing it people will either delete their profiles or stop updating them.

This website has reached the present status due to priceless efforts of many many individuals over the years and I would hate to see it reduced down to a "gafaadi akhaadaa." I hope you will be more considerate.

Yagya N Regmi

PS: I hope SEBS-NA will persue the issue before it's too late.

I think Parmendra dai is missing the point here. You have no right, even as a fellow SEBS member, to misuse the information that is available to SEBS as an entity.

SEBS has had a lengthy issue with publication of member information in its directory. Generally speaking, the practice of making public privileged or confidential information is a risky process. It is an act that requires constant and careful vigilance. In case of SEBS or any other member oganization, it is a catch-22. Networking, especially accross borders, cannot be sustained without some sort of open-access to membership. SEBS is a strong entity today because of strong networking ties amongst its members. On the other hand, there are people who were hellbent on utilizing any and every piece of information for commercial or private gains. Marriage proposals, airline tickets, Thamel.com offers, lewd and obscene remarks, personal attacks-yes, we have seen them all. What we have realized is that when it comes to electronic information, it is even a greater nightmare because of the ease at which information can be accessed and misused.

During the inception of the directory there were measurable glitches, but nothing catastrophic. It all happened because SEBS failed to implement a rigorous, standardized protocol, whereby the the privacy of its members would not be compromised under any circumstance. It was only after several iterations that this practice was perfected. But since every organization goes through the motions, so to speak, we should feel fortunate that these glitches were quickly ironed out.

But nonetheless, when it comes to preserving confidential information, SEBS is still heavily dependent on one key assumption and that is the good-citizenry of its members. Be it in the forums, links, or travel-help pages, it is assumed that the members will behave in democratic manner while posting and accessing privileged information (with a small price to pay by logging in). Basically, the microcosm of SEBS Online is parallel to a free & functional society. Trust and code of law are the pillars of this microcosm.

But Paramendra dai, your use of privileged information, without prior consent of fellow members, violates that code. It is an impermissible use of information that was not available to begin with-especially in the light of the rauchy ideas that your DFN subscribes to.

As an ordinary member, I am left wondering why SEBS allowed all of this to happen. I would be okay if SEBS would put up a DFN Banner or even dedicate a forum for Parmendra's cause in its website. After all, SEBS should stand up for its members, especially given the fact that Parmendra's ideas, while self-serving at times, are meant for the betterment and recognition of one of the under-represented minorities in the Nepali populace. His mission is praiseworthy.

But the relentless and bullish bombardment of one's privacy is no way to achieve that feat.

Parmendra dai, congratulations. I had no idea that your blog happened to be one of the largest google groups. That is an achievement. I also appreciate that your emails contain clear instruction to unsubscribe if one might so wish.

I wonder if they have a prize for "size of the blog and clarity in terms of disengagement"...I will vote for you. Alas, you said you will not revisit the thread....

Oh, btw, for the rest of us, who do not like getting those emails:

Why is Google Groups sending me email? I never signed up for the service.

Google Groups allows group owners to directly add users as a convenient way of transferring members from other services. We don't intend this to be used to build lists for unsolicited email; we don't like spam, and using the "Add Members" feature in this way violates both the spirit of Google Groups and our official Terms of Service. To see our Terms of Service, click the link below. If you think a group owner is abusing this feature, please let us know about it by clicking the "contact us" link at the bottom of this page, then clicking "If you'd like to report abuse, please click here." On the report page, include the group's address, select "Other," and in the text field please include the words "The group owner added me without asking."

As, parmendra dai said, it is indeed very simple.

I have an idea!!!! bhagat dai is great and he should recieve more concern by the sebs members than any other members. we all should forward the message we recieve from him to his own address so that he can be the most messege receiver in the google network.

Yup, I agree.....that is a bullshit excuse from Paramendra dai.

I for one, don't find his 'publications' either thoughtful or engaging.

The fact that he does take initiative is a good thing, but this 'holier than thou' attitude is very put offing.

I've simply directed my hotmail to send them to 'junk'. Its easy.

it is enough guys. i think we are not talking about his ideology but his misuse of sebs directory.

PARAMENDRA!

You used the email address at your will and never asked us to subscribe to your DFN blog. Now you are telling us to unsubscribe. That sort of logic doesnot work and surely it tells a lot about you as a person . If we had previously accepted some terms and conditiions, then it makes sense we have to unsubscribe ourselves. It might take just seconds to unsubscribe but, you sould do it yourself as you were the one to subscribe these addresses to your blog. It cannot be like - "I will do whatever I like and if anythig goes wrong, you take the blame"

Just stop it!

"I'll keep punching you until you tell me not to."

I totally agree that what Paramendra did is morally wrong and his attitude is also not helping much. But, it might help to keep things in perspective. Though I hardly read his blogs, I do not mind deleting them largely because they are not many (one to two a month) and that I receive lot of junk mails from places I did not give my e-mail address to!

My main point here is that we have not yet reached a point where we need to take a harsher measure (like not including e-mail address in the directory) as the benefits clearly outweigh the cost (at least so far!).

What is the use of having your email address on the directory? Is it really only for a few selective sebsers whom you think of as friends or with whom you seem to think alike or to get some useless piece of information, like some one died, or something happened to someone? They're all the same. Parmander's appeals and Hemender's death are pretty much the same to me . I don't think it is really appropriate to bitch at Rajan (assuming he's the still the network administrator or editor or whatever) or Parmendra for sending out emails. All they're doing is sharing what they think is important info and news that affects people besides themselves. Why all the big fuss? This is a small ass forum for SEBS with a readership of couple of thousand people at most, but the fucking cream of Nepalese students are too damn lazy to filter the information that's thrown at them and are bitching about getting two emails a month when they're junk folder as well as inbox are inundated with viagra ads and spams about horny junkies.

Please, if you don't want emails coming to you from sebs members or are too lazy to unsubscribe. Don't give it to sebs.

I don't really care how many or which sebs dies, its bad news and I don't want it. But how appropriate would it be for me to bitch at, slander, and criticize Rajan or Onta for emailing me news of sebser's death, and calling them death mongers? I know it's an extreme example and not exactly on the spot. But I hope you get my gist and shut the f up.

What is the use of having your email address on the directory? Is it really only for a few selective sebsers whom you think of as friends or with whom you seem to think alike or to get some useless piece of information, like some one died, or something happened to someone? They're all the same. Parmander's appeals and Hemender's death are pretty much the same to me . I don't think it is really appropriate to bitch at Rajan (assuming he's the still the network administrator or editor or whatever) or Parmendra for sending out emails. All they're doing is sharing what they think is important info and news that affects people besides themselves. Why all the big fuss? This is a small ass forum for SEBS with a readership of couple of thousand people at most, but the fucking cream of Nepalese students are too damn lazy to filter the information that's thrown at them and are bitching about getting two emails a month when they're junk folder as well as inbox are inundated with viagra ads and spams about horny junkies.

Please, if you don't want emails coming to you from sebs members or are too lazy to unsubscribe. Don't give it to sebs.

I don't really care how many or which sebs dies, its bad news and I don't want it. But how appropriate would it be for me to bitch at, slander, and criticize Rajan or Onta for emailing me news of sebser's death, and calling them death mongers? I know it's an extreme example and not exactly on the spot. But I hope you get my gist and shut the f up.

your rejoinder is extreme. you ought to be clear in mind that sebs doesnt not serve as platform to sent "junks" as Parmendra does.i am "inundated with viagra ads and spams about horny junkies". so what?

damn it , i care to be informed if my fellow sebser is a victim of a mishap. you touch a moral line when you make an comparion betn the pramendra's blog and demise of a sebser.

objecton!

What is the use of having your email address on the directory? Is it really only for a few selective sebsers whom you think of as friends or with whom you seem to think alike or to get some useless piece of information, like some one died, or something happened to someone? They're all the same. Parmander's appeals and Hemender's death are pretty much the same to me . I don't think it is really appropriate to bitch at Rajan (assuming he's the still the network administrator or editor or whatever) or Parmendra for sending out emails. All they're doing is sharing what they think is important info and news that affects people besides themselves. Why all the big fuss? This is a small ass forum for SEBS with a readership of couple of thousand people at most, but the fucking cream of Nepalese students are too damn lazy to filter the information that's thrown at them and are bitching about getting two emails a month when they're junk folder as well as inbox are inundated with viagra ads and spams about horny junkies.

Please, if you don't want emails coming to you from sebs members or are too lazy to unsubscribe. Don't give it to sebs.

I don't really care how many or which sebs dies, its bad news and I don't want it. But how appropriate would it be for me to bitch at, slander, and criticize Rajan or Onta for emailing me news of sebser's death, and calling them death mongers? I know it's an extreme example and not exactly on the spot. But I hope you get my gist and shut the f up.

What a b'shit - not even worth responding to.

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What is the use of having your email address on the directory? Is it really only for a few selective sebsers whom you think of as friends or with whom you seem to think alike or to get some useless piece of information, like some one died, or something happened to someone? They're all the same. Parmander's appeals and Hemender's death are pretty much the same to me . I don't think it is really appropriate to bitch at Rajan (assuming he's the still the network administrator or editor or whatever) or Parmendra for sending out emails. All they're doing is sharing what they think is important info and news that affects people besides themselves. Why all the big fuss? This is a small ass forum for SEBS with a readership of couple of thousand people at most, but the fucking cream of Nepalese students are too damn lazy to filter the information that's thrown at them and are bitching about getting two emails a month when they're junk folder as well as inbox are inundated with viagra ads and spams about horny junkies.

Please, if you don't want emails coming to you from sebs members or are too lazy to unsubscribe. Don't give it to sebs.

I don't really care how many or which sebs dies, its bad news and I don't want it. But how appropriate would it be for me to bitch at, slander, and criticize Rajan or Onta for emailing me news of sebser's death, and calling them death mongers? I know it's an extreme example and not exactly on the spot. But I hope you get my gist and shut the f up.

boy what a great examples of nepal's elite democratic process. I am for against hiding my email from the list. In various occasions have been contacted my friends unexpectedly becoz they found me in sebs directory. I am surprised by our SEBs NA bhais who are now trying to make an issue of something so mundane. This is what i call is lack of leadership. Instead of the organization putting up a notice against racial slurs that have been used against paramendra, now you want to censor the damn email???

I am on paramendra's list and I completely disagree with his thoughts but I enjoy reading his blogs. I find them much entertaining than some bullshit topics that gets discussed on this site. Guys give the guy a break. He is following his passion and very few of us has done what he has done. you dont want him to receive his email unsubscribe, if that does not work call him...the number is available in tel. directory than to mock him like you are doing.

SEBS NA please show a solid leadership around these types of issues.

PEACE!

well is this madhesi nepal guy dhoti?

i am also sick of receivig this craps ..... they both shud be hanged till death.......... track him guys i will reap his ass off ....