| Dec 7, 2:34 pm |
From: "paramendra" |
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 11:34:36 -0800 |
Local: Wed, Dec 7 2005 2:34 pm |
Subject: Re: Role of civic society and contingency plan for revolution for new spring. |
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I think the choice for members of this Google group is simple.
(1) You are committed to the democracy cause.
(2) Or you don't care, or you are fearful of getting involved, or you
actually support the regime, in an active or passive way, for whatever
reason.
(1b) You are for democracy, but the democracy movement is a spectator
sport for you. You will watch, or you will watch and whine.
(1c) You are for it, and you would like to actively contribute.
(1c1) Level 1 of contribution is to donate $100, and then sit back and
watch how that money goes into one of the 5 projects. Actually 6,
because fundraising is the biggest of the projects.
http://www.geocities.com/paramendra/nepal1000.html
(1c2) Level 2 would be to join one of the 6 teams.
(1c3) Level 3 would be to become a Project Manager of one of the 6
teams.
the closet. Welcome to the cloud model of group dynamics.
| Dec 7, 2:15 pm |
From: "paramendra" |
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 11:15:14 -0800 |
Local: Wed, Dec 7 2005 2:15 pm |
Subject: Re: Role of civic society and contingency plan for revolution for new spring. |
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All time top posters
558 shar...@aol.com
319 d...@cdc.gov
192 psub...@gmail.com
155 paramen...@yahoo.com
I am not even the top poster. I doubt others have received such
"advice."
Why don't people take the easier option, which is to choose to read
this group discussion at the group's website. Or why sign up to receive
individual emails? Why not daily digests? I am not responsible for the
choice you make.
The discussions of the past few days have been highly productive. This
much ground could not have been covered any other way.
reason I did not appreciate it the first time.
| Dec 7, 2:24 pm |
From: "paramendra" |
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 11:24:37 -0800 |
Local: Wed, Dec 7 2005 2:24 pm |
Subject: Re: Role of civic society and contingency plan for revolution for new spring. |
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People in Kathmandu are out in the streets, and we can't even put our
names to the cause in an online forum from the safety of the US? What
is the bother?
Ideas are a dime a dozen. For the implementation phase we need people
who will join the 5 specific projects at this end, and then together we
form teams at the other end in Kathmandu.
individual decides for herself/himself. I have been public from day
one.
| Dec 7, 1:55 pm |
From: "paramendra" |
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:55:19 -0800 |
Local: Wed, Dec 7 2005 1:55 pm |
Subject: Re: (1) Video Blogging The Movement |
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We are hoping to get Umesh a better camera than the Khasha one he has,
3.1 megapixel.
Contribute: http://www.geocities.com/paramendra/nepal1000.html
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 13:05:55 +0545
From: "Salokya"
To: "Paramendra Kumar Bhagat"
Subject: Re: This is amazing
If we can get this one, that will be great !
http://www.shopnbds.com/description.asp?catid=130&itemid=1169
It says "video source directly to your computer without having to
record to DV tape"
Other Models
http://www.shopnbds.com/category.asp?catid=28&catname=Cameras
7 leader ko lagi KP sanga kura hundai chha....
On 12/7/05, Paramendra Kumar Bhagat
How much would it cost to buy another camera for you locally,
better,
more megapixels? Maybe that can be another topic for fundraising.
http://www.swapn.biz
| Dec 7, 1:50 pm |
From: "paramendra" |
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:50:15 -0800 |
Local: Wed, Dec 7 2005 1:50 pm |
Subject: Re: Video Blogger Umesh Shrestha Fired From Job, Threatened Over Email |
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Threat email sent to video blogger Umesh Shrestha. At least the
individual has been identified through IP address.
Author : Deepk Sharma (IP: 202.51.76.20 , co-cache.vianet.com.np)
E-mail : dyand...@yahoo.com
URI :
Whois : http://ws.arin.net/cgi-bin/whois.pl?queryinput=202.51.76.20
ko jhuttha samchar lekhne ta ko hos. tero samachar ko pusti
hunuparchha. natra khalas marla akal ma sale.
| Dec 6, 9:03 pm |
From: "paramendra" |
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 18:03:05 -0800 |
Local: Tues, Dec 6 2005 9:03 pm |
Subject: Re: Civic movement for revolution. |
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" No fund raising solicitation at this time."
| Dec 6, 5:38 pm |
From: "paramendra" |
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:38:57 -0800 |
Local: Tues, Dec 6 2005 5:38 pm |
Subject: Re: 5 Projects: Donate $100 |
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Nepal Medical Association to take the lead on the medical services
project.
Nepal Bar Association forms the Kathmandu team for the legal action
project.
Maybe there is a radio journalists association that will do the FM
work.
What is this talk about purchasing ambulances? Would it not be cheaper
to rent them out?
Four more days and the movement is to take off. Why are people sleeping
on the fundraising stuff?
It could be an intense two weeks, December 10 to 25, and the work is
done.
| Dec 6, 5:53 pm |
From: "paramendra" |
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:53:47 -0800 |
Local: Tues, Dec 6 2005 5:53 pm |
Subject: Re: 5 Projects: Donate $100 |
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here is all the leadership spread across the country.
(5) FM Radio Station In Kathmandu
This thread for this project only: (5) FM Radio Station In Kathmandu # Video
blog the movement to the tune of 100 plus hours. (Umesh ...
Dec 6, 5:21 pm by paramendra - 1 message - 1 author
(4) Propaganda Work This thread for this project only: (4) Propaganda Work # Video blog the movement to the tune of 100 plus hours. (Umesh Shrestha, KP ... Dec 6, 5:20 pm by paramendra - 1 message - 1 author |
(3) Legal Action, National And International This thread for this topic only: (3) Legal Action, National And International # Video blog the movement to the tune of 100 plus hours. ... Dec 6, 5:19 pm by paramendra - 1 message - 1 author |
(2) Medical Services For Freedom Fighters
This thread for this project only: (2) Medical Services For Freedom Fighters #
Video blog the movement to the tune of 100 plus hours. ...
Dec 6, 5:18 pm by paramendra - 1 message - 1 author
| Dec 5, 4:02 pm |
From: "paramendra" |
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 13:02:40 -0800 |
Local: Mon, Dec 5 2005 4:02 pm |
Subject: Re: Group formation of lawyer |
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Global legal action is not a vague threat. We totally intend to do it.
But if we wage a major propaganda war now, we might end up not having
to do it. We wage the propaganda war for the physical protection of
those who will have the courage to come out into the streets day after
day after day from December 10 on.
This regime should not see 2006.
"It is based on voluntary will of the state."
Once that state is democratic, it will fully cooperate with the UN.
Nepal will set an example.
Dineshji, I guess you are the Project Manager on this one. Please
expand your team as fast as possible. And get to work. Ask for any help
you might need along the way. Evidence is being gathered at the other
end. Details of progress that you can share along the way, please do so
at this thread.
"International legal battle is not a merely propaganda matter today. we
should not forget that Naming and shaming and dissemination of
information is also a effective tool to implement international law.
mobilization of internatioanal public opinion is also
considered a effective tool toward a implementation international
law."
I am sure there are many details involved. Specialists like you would
know.
Video blogging is about shaping world opinion.
| Dec 3, 2:23 pm |
From: "paramendra" |
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 11:23:09 -0800 |
Local: Sat, Dec 3 2005 2:23 pm |
Subject: Re: Candor And Courage Of Kanak |
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" Beside "ramailo guf, gaaf", what if we need to do activism - full
scale."
The diaspora is asleep. It needs to wake up. Words are no longer
enough.
| Dec 3, 2:24 pm |
From: "paramendra" |
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 11:24:13 -0800 |
Local: Sat, Dec 3 2005 2:24 pm |
Subject: Re: Candor And Courage Of Kanak |
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"I am really concerned about weather or not the party leaders will be
able to control their followers to keep the movement/protests
peaceful..."
that the crowds have been too large.
117 Members, How Many Bahuns, How Many Pahadis?
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This Google group is kind of like a cyber parliament of the Nepalis I don't have access to the information since I am not one of the If I had to guess, I would say of the 117 members, at least 100 are http://demrepubnepal.blogspot.com/2005/11/madhesi.html This is an elite group. For one, everyone here has internet access. Members need to ask, what is the social filter that creates such an The Bahun/Pahadi members of this group need to acknowledge the My basic message is peace, democracy and social justice have to be |
| Nov 30, 2:30 pm |
From: "paramendra" |
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:30:28 -0800 |
Local: Wed, Nov 30 2005 2:30 pm |
Subject: Re: 117 Members, How Many Bahuns, How Many Pahadis? |
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First, the word is Madhesi. You need to get that right.
I have spent a decade of my life in Kathmandu. Does that make me a
Pahadi or a Madhesi? Both you and I know the term Madhesi and Pahadi
are not geographical but cultural.
How do you see you? That is more important than how I see you. I read
your last name to be Adhikari. That is a clear cut Bahun, as far as I
am concerned.
social justice.
| Nov 30, 3:02 pm |
From: "paramendra" |
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:02:41 -0800 |
Local: Wed, Nov 30 2005 3:02 pm |
Subject: Re: 117 Members, How Many Bahuns, How Many Pahadis? |
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Shyam Karki makes an important point.
and walk.
| Nov 30, 11:39 pm |
From: "paramendra" |
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:39:27 -0800 |
Local: Wed, Nov 30 2005 11:39 pm |
Subject: Re: 117 Members, How Many Bahuns, How Many Pahadis? |
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A lot of white folks dodge the race relations issue by claiming they
have black friends. So don't dodge the legitimate topic of Madhesi
rights by claiming you have Madhesi friends. Good if you do. If the
friendship is real, that is another good reason why you should really
participate in this dialogue.
All Nepali men I know have wives, sisters, mothers, and so on, but that
does not seem to change the fact that Nepal is one of the most sexist
countries on the planet,does it?
DaMaJaMa issues are issues in public policy. And we have to be willing
to have an open, respectful dialogue on those policy topics. It is not
okay to find the very idea of such a dialogue offensive. And this
"parliament" of 117 needs to be taking the lead.
It is possible for a Roger Adhikari to be a Madhesi, a Teraiwasi. The
Nepal I envision is one where a Newar from Kathmandu should feel as
comfortable migratingto Janakpur as a Maithil from Janakpur should feel
migrating to Pokhara. People from all backgrounds shoud feel comfy in
all parts of the country.
There are many Madhesis who are as prejudiced as the Pahadis on the
question. It is called internalized prejudice. And it is possible for
the Bahuns to be at the cutting edge of social progress. Your
background is not necessarily a weight around your neck. You don't even
have to be a Bahun from the Terai to so participate.
".....nor do I really care about your opinion, however let me give you
a dose of reality; you don't represent me and my most of my fellow
Madhesi friends, jhas, Goenkas,
Jalans, Mandals and others. All you represent is yourself and your
little mind...."
You give ample evidence of your narrow-mindedness through this name
calling. You are like some racist white folks I have met who claim they
are not racist because they have a few black friends.
The Madhesi rights issue is this: where do you stand on federalism?
Where do you stand on Hindi? Where do you stand on some of the other
issues raised here?
http://demrepubnepal.blogspot.com/2005/11/proposed-constitution.html
"I think Paramendra went to Budhanilakantha School, the most elite
school in Nepal. It partially shows that if Madhesis work hard, they
probably don't have to endure obvious discrimination."
Madhesis are 50% of the country, but only 5% of the student body at
Budhanilkantha Schook which claims to be a national school. That is
what the discrimination is.
"Madhesi people need to work hard, excel in whatever they do, and make
people respect them. So far they are the most tolerant people, all they
need now is to show that they are very intelligent too (which I believe
they are)."
It is not about hard work. It is about political equality. Hard work
and intelligence are not based on ethnicity.
Sucheta rightly points out, there are major caste, gender and class
issues within the Terai too, like there are in the hills, in Kathmandu.
But despite all that, the anti-Madhesi prejudice in Nepal encompasses
all Madhesis regardless of caste, gender and class.
As for raising these issues simultaneously, I do talk of Madhesi rights
in the DaMaJaMa framework. And I talk of social justice in the rapid
economic growth/poverty framework.
I have brought up women's issues in detail. And I posted links when you
first brought his up at another thread.
Just like the Congress and the UML are Bahun dominated, the Sadbhavana
is male dominated. That is an apt criticism.
Anandi Devi is not just a rubber stamp, but I don't know her
personally. Sarita Giri I know. She is one of the most qualified minds
in the party. She is there in her own right.
You are right, my conversations with Tripathy do not revolve around
gender issues. And I am critical of the Sadbhavana that its social
justice call so far does not encompass the whole DaMaJaMa spectrum.
They only talk of Madhesis, and to a small extent Janajatis.
But then should we not heap those gender criticisms also on the UML and
the Congress. Have you done that?
Arun: "How about Magar, Gurung, Lama, Tharu, Rai, Limbu causes. I am
wondering if
any one is championing them?"
DaMaJaMa. Dalit, Madhesi, Janajati, Mahila. All four have to go
together.
I am a Madhesi. But I am not a Dalit, or a Janajati, or a Mahila. But I
make an attempt to take all together. Similarly Bahuns should feel
comfortable adopting the Madhesi cause.
Muslims in the Terai have it tought, like they have it tough in India.
They are another group. The Tharus are also a group that warrant
notice, as Pramod Aryal points out.
All I am suggesting at this stage here is we here should be capable of
an open, respectful dialogue. This is not about anyone's personal
background. This is about taking up the cause of social justice for all
oppressed groups. A sick socieyt is bad for everyone, the oppressor and
the oppressed.
Sucheta talks of dowry deaths in the Terai. Women trafficking issue in
the hills are of the same magnitude. The whole country is deeply
sexist. There's wife beating in the upper income brackets in Kathmandu.
Heck there's domestic violence in South Asian households in America.
Pramod Aryal: "So my request is let us look social justice in whole
gamut."
I could not agree more.
Arun: "And I am curious to know in your Bahunbad rhetoric where do
Madhesi Bahuns like, Jhas, Mishras, Dubedi, tribedi, Chaturbedi, Tiwaris belong?"
There is casteism within the Terai. Very true.
need to take the lead on these social issues because once a constituent
assembly is ensured, this is going to get real thorny. We need to do
the dress rehearsal now so we can help keep the debate respectful once
it opens up on the ground in Nepal.
| Nov 30, 11:46 pm |
From: "paramendra" |
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:46:43 -0800 |
Local: Wed, Nov 30 2005 11:46 pm |
Subject: Re: 117 Members, How Many Bahuns, How Many Pahadis? |
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40 Reasons Why The Three Forces Should Come Ar0und To My Proposed
Constitution
http://demrepubnepal.blogspot.com/2005/11/40-reasons-why-three-forces...
I am making a tall claim here. What I am saying is this document if
implemented would take care of the social justice issues of the entire
DaMaJaMa spectrum.
Do you agree? Do you disagree? Get specific.
dialogue. It would be nice to have some feedback and critique.
| Dec 1, 12:56 am |
From: "paramendra" |
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:56:01 -0800 |
Local: Thurs, Dec 1 2005 12:56 am |
Subject: Re: 117 Members, How Many Bahuns, How Many Pahadis? |
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Newar? How many Janajati? How many Madhesi?
| Dec 1, 3:25 am |
From: "paramendra" |
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 00:25:55 -0800 |
Local: Thurs, Dec 1 2005 3:25 am |
Subject: Re: 117 Members, How Many Bahuns, How Many Pahadis? |
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| Nov 30, 11:53 pm |
From: "paramendra" |
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:53:03 -0800 |
Local: Wed, Nov 30 2005 11:53 pm |
Subject: Re: Sands Of Chameliya |
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south. Such is andho deshprem.
| Nov 28, 8:07 pm |
From: "paramendra" |
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:07:45 -0800 |
Local: Mon, Nov 28 2005 8:07 pm |
Subject: Re: Storm In A Teacup |
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How are my blog posts one way traffic?
(1) You don't have to read them!
(2) Each blog entry comes with its own comments section. You can always
talk back.
(3) Or you can discuss the ideas here at this Google group.
Both you and I know what is happening. You guys are having a hard time
realizing social justice can not be dissociated from the themes of
peace and democracy. That is the real story about the "storm in a
teacup."
to topple the regime. Let's talk logistics.
| Nov 27, 8:42 pm |
From: "paramendra" |
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:42:56 -0800 |
Local: Sun, Nov 27 2005 8:42 pm |
Subject: Re: we got to move faster |
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" i have had long conversation with Girija jee. He was particularly
concerned
about my recent posting."
print stuff out for him to read? That is positive.
| Nov 27, 8:27 pm |
From: "paramendra" |
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:27:58 -0800 |
Local: Sun, Nov 27 2005 8:27 pm |
Subject: Re: new members; Paramendra |
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I did not realize until late last night that there was this major storm
in a teacup at the ND group.
http://demrepubnepal.blogspot.com/2005/11/to-nd-group-co-puru-subedi....
| Nov 27, 8:30 pm |
From: "paramendra" |
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:30:05 -0800 |
Local: Sun, Nov 27 2005 8:30 pm |
Subject: Re: new members; Paramendra |
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does not come with strings attached. Jargon words like etiquette, and
club do not change that basic premise
| Nov 17, 2:59 pm |
From: "paramendra" |
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:59:33 -0800 |
Local: Thurs, Nov 17 2005 2:59 pm |
Subject: Looks like Sajha has moved here |
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What used to be Sajha seems to have moved here. Sajha a few years back.
talk is more substantial.
| Nov 16, 3:43 pm |
From: "paramendra" |
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:43:04 -0800 |
Local: Wed, Nov 16 2005 3:43 pm |
Subject: Re: Dipta Shah on Gagan Thapa |
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"Gagan Thapa could be an asset to the palace since his particular brand
of activism plays well into divisive politics. He could be an asset to
the Maoists because his leadership of street protests provide a
platform for infiltration, even though he may wish them to be peaceful.
He could be an asset to the UML because it is Gagan Thapa's
republican agenda that fuels the prospects of a potential leftist
merger. He is already an asset to his parent party (the Nepali
Congress) as leverage against the palace."
| Nov 16, 3:47 pm |
From: "paramendra" |
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:47:18 -0800 |
Local: Wed, Nov 16 2005 3:47 pm |
Subject: Re: Dipta Shah on Gagan Thapa |
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"From a party perspective, one of Gagan Thapa's goals is internal
reform. As a move toward fulfilling this goal, it would be encouraging
if he were to steer his political capital at participating in the
upcoming elections."
February 8 polls -- that is imaginary, to say the least.
| Nov 16, 2:34 pm |
From: "paramendra" |
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:34:32 -0800 |
Local: Wed, Nov 16 2005 2:34 pm |
Subject: Re: Let us open the hornet's nest- Will Nepali Congress survive? |
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Girija is the reason why it might not.
(1) The genius dissolved a House where his party had a clear majority.
(2) He institutionalized corruption.
(3) He tried to run the government by remore control even when Krishna
Bhattarai and Deuba were Prime Minister.
(4) He is the original author of the military solution to the
insurgency.
(5) There was a vertical split into a Koirala Congress and the Deuba
Congress. Girija is the reason why.
(6) His idiotic House revival stance is what killed the 1990
constitution and made 2/1 possible.
(7) If he continues to stick to it, the movement will not take off. And
there will be another split in the party. Prakash Koirala, Shailaja
Acharya and all will break away and contest the municipal polls.
| Nov 12, 11:45 pm |
From: "paramendra" |
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:45:57 -0800 |
Local: Sat, Nov 12 2005 11:45 pm |
Subject: Re: Expand This Google Group |
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For me this group is better than Sajha. It is possible to have serious
discussions here. And there seem to be many who's who type names here.
But 107 members? That is so small.
These two are cool:
· Members must be approved before joining
· Only members can post
But this makes no sense:
· Only members can read the archive
If 107 people have the option to read what you write, why would you
feel "exposed" if instead 707 individuals read the same?
Open archives will also work like ads for the group. People might show
up to read, and they might so like it, they might apply to become
members.
That would be the democratic way.
movement.
| Nov 28, 6:51 pm |
From: "paramendra" |
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 15:51:53 -0800 |
Local: Mon, Nov 28 2005 6:51 pm |
Subject: Re: Storm In A Teacup |
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movement.
| Nov 28, 5:04 pm |
From: "paramendra" |
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:04:25 -0800 |
Local: Mon, Nov 28 2005 5:04 pm |
Subject: Re: Storm In A Teacup |
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Commenting on just one fine point.
read the title, and if that piques their interest, they can also click
on the URL. That is a high form of e-etiquette. As opposed to flooding
people's inboxes with long pieces of prose.
| Nov 28, 12:52 am |
From: "paramendra" |
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:52:29 -0800 |
Local: Mon, Nov 28 2005 12:52 am |
Subject: Re: Storm In A Teacup |
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I hope you like my writing.
But I come to this Google group as a freedom fighter!
| Nov 27, 11:02 pm |
From: "paramendra" |
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:02:47 -0800 |
Local: Sun, Nov 27 2005 11:02 pm |
Subject: Re: Storm In A Teacup |
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http://demrepubnepal.blogspot.com/2005/11/40-reasons-why-three-forces...
http://demrepubnepal.blogspot.com/2005/11/logistics-to-bring-down-reg...
There you guys go again.
You can not take the five minutes it might take to glance through the
two pieces and react? As in, I agree for the most part, let's do it. Or
I disagree with points 5, 9 and 15, and these are the reasons why. Or I
agree, but I would like to add these suggestions.
But instead of such a constructive engagement, if you mete out a
summary rejection, what does that imply?
If you were to click on the first link, you would not fear Paramendra
on his way to creating a Madhesi dominated Nepal. But would you?
| Nov 27, 9:28 pm |
From: "paramendra" |
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 18:28:37 -0800 |
Local: Sun, Nov 27 2005 9:28 pm |
Subject: Re: Storm In A Teacup |
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I thought you might misunderstand.
There is an ongoing democracy movement in Nepal. And we are all
contributing in our own ways. But it has been my consistent feeling a
lot of Bahuns will plain ignore an idea or ideas just because they are
coming from a Madhesi. That attitude is a problem and has to be
countered.
I'd rather people disagreed and expressed their disagreements. That
done in a constructive fashion leads to polished ideas. But there is a
major emphasis instead to not engage, to ignore, push under the carpet.
Why don't you walk out of that flock and comment on this?
http://demrepubnepal.blogspot.com/2005/11/40-reasons-why-three-forces...
And this:
http://demrepubnepal.blogspot.com/2005/11/logistics-to-bring-down-reg...
Let's see you act different!
| Nov 27, 9:01 pm |
From: "paramendra" |
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 18:01:28 -0800 |
Local: Sun, Nov 27 2005 9:01 pm |
Subject: Storm In A Teacup |
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(1) Free speech does not come with ifs and buts. If you think it does,
you are in the same club as Tanka Dhakal and King Gyanendra. Free
speech is the most fundamental premise of the democratic ideology.
Those hoping to contribute to the Nepal democracy movement have got to
see this as the starting point for all we will do.
(2) Debate, discussions and disagreements are legitimate democratic
exercises. We talk back and forth.
(3) Peace, democracy and social justice have to go together to ensure a
rapid economic growth for the country as a whole. There is no avoiding
social justice as a topic. If your total thrust is to snuff debate on
the topic, you are very much a guilty party. You are so obviously
prejudiced. Or you would instead engage.
http://groups.google.com/group/progressivenepal
(4) You are just going to have to deal with the new breed of the
Madhesi. He is here. He is not going anywhere.
http://demrepubnepal.blogspot.com/2005/11/madhesi.html
(5) Some of the best ideas in the democratic camp, the entire
democratic camp, since February have come from me. Make peace with the
idea. I am at the very center of the developments. Some of the best
ideas from all three factions to the conflict in Nepal have come from
me. Acknowledge it. I have offered the best ideas, the best plans, the
best implementation strategies.
(6) No Nepali in the diaspora is as into politics as me. And I am
talking American politics. Amateurs can learn from professionals.
February.
http://demrepubnepal.blogspot.com/2005/11/to-nd-group-co-puru-subedi....
So let's get to work. You are not going to reject good ideas just
because they are coming from a Madhesi. That is the bottomline. Open
your mind. The world is bigger than you have seen it.