Saturday, April 02, 2005

Phone Marathon: Called Up Delhi


I just got off the phone. I got to talk to Rajendra Mahto, Dinesh Prasain, and Amresh Singh extensively, and the last person I called was Ram Baran Yadav: I woke him up; that is when I realized it was time to get off the phone and end the marathon. I hope to call up Sujata Koirala, Krishna Sitoula and Ram Baran Yadav, perhaps tomorrow. I also got a number for the supposed Maoist top honcho in Delhi, Laxman Pant, but the first call did not go through.

Rajendra Mahto continued with the themes he raised during my last conversation. He said big change, not compromise is what is needed. "Ye aar ki paar ki ladai hai." As long as the king is there, there will be no stability, there will be false nationalism, there will not be room for the emergence of leadership from the ground, and things will stay bad for the Madhesis. The democrats have unprecedented global support.

A full-fledged democracy, a republican framework, a federal system is the way to go. Elections for a Constituent Assembly organized by the king will only entrench him, if he ever agrees to such elections. The monarchy and the army can not be trusted to conduct free and fair elections. Even an all-party government operating in the shadow of the palace-military complex will not be able to conduct free and fair elections. The army is with the king. He has the money. He will spend crores to push the results his way. The elections for a Constituent Assembly can only be held after the king has been pushed out. Otherwise the king and the army, if they do not succeed in swaying the election results, will simply trample the outcome and go back to being in and staying in power. All those thousands who have died will have died in vain. There can be no Constituent Assembly elections without first defanging the king.

It is time to keep it simple and keep it direct. The goal is a Democratic Republic. The king is the root of all problems. Right after 1990 conspiracies started. In the older generation, there is overwhelming Pahadi domination. They do not want to get rid of the monarchy. They want to rule in his name instead. The older generation Pahadis think if they get rid of the monarchy, the Madhesis will get more assertive, maybe India will take over. That is their paranoia.

India has been very positive.

The RPP is for the king. The Mandal faction is for the king. Deuba is for the king. A lot of UML folks are for the king. Most of the Central Committe people of the Nepali Congress are for the king. A lot of the Sadbhavana folks are for the king.

Soon there will be but two factions left in Nepal, those who are for autocracy, and those who are for democracy. All the parties might get swept away. And the Maoists might have an important role to play.

If Koirala goes Republican, it will take less than a year to get there. If not, a new force will emerge. And it will take 1-2 years. UML and Deuba are already over. The rest might also get washed out in 1-2 years.

Within 1-2 days we expect a clear verdict from Girija.

A Loktantric Madhesi Morcha could emerge.

These Congressias are not big on the republican agenda. BP Koirala is on record saying that his neck is tied with that of the king.

Mahara calls once in a while, but he never gives out his phone number, Mahto said. Tripathy is no longer in Delhi. He has gone to some border town nearer his home in Nawalparasi.

Dinesh Prasain said he was getting a lot of help from his "lawyer friends" in Delhi. That included living space and "protection." They have a network that they can mobilize if need be. There are a lot of political friends from Nepal who are now in Delhi.

There were threats to Prasain's life even before 2/1. Some ambassadors went to meet some of the army top brass and warned them explicitly. And the threat subsided. But it was never totally averted. And there is only so much even the diplomants can do. The waters are murky.

He also broached the idea of launching a magazine, kind of like Himal South Asia, which would be both online and offline. To deal with regional issues in a progressive way. Turn into a world class publication. The discussion has been going on. 60-70 names have already been floated. There would be news, opinion and analysis. The tempo has to be local to regional to local.

There has been a sea change in Nepal in the perception of those who talk of Madhesi rights. They used to be labelled as "communal," but now they are seen as people for progressive change.

The number one issue is to get the army under the parliament. Without that all change will be but cosmetic.

The radical of the political elements are exiled or are in Nepal and underground. Those not considered such major threats to the regime are openly in Kathmandu, like people like Ram Sharan Mahat. Otherwise there is an emerging consensus for the Constituent Assembly idea and a Republican agenda.

Overall there is broad support, also in South Block.

The only concern is that there should not be chaos, no security disaster. But if the political change can be managed, the South Block is not averse to the idea of a republic for Nepal. As long as the change is managed and not mindless.

Ultimately got to return to Nepal. Prasain asked me when I was coming "back" to Nepal. I said in terms of money, message, organization and discussions, geographical locations do not matter. But that I had no plans to "return" to Nepal for good. That I was a global citizen!

We are not limited by the 5 or 7 parties in our goals. There are intense polarizations going on inside all of those parties. Even if all 5 parties go for the king that does not mean the king stays. There might be an emergent generational tide against the monarchy. The leadership of the parties tend to take their party hostage, and so they often overrule grass roots sentiments in the process. But for how long?

Girija is 82. "Tyo bhanchine manchhe ho, bangine manchhe hoina." He smokes.

The internet is playing a major role. Even the king said once the whole world is only a click away, though I doubt he has clicked that mouse more than once.

There are many people here. Hari Rocca, Amresh Singh, Samtengla, Anil Bhattarai, Prashant Jha, Biraj Bishta. Samtengla was always smart, but he has also fast emerged a major intellectual.
We have been in regular touch with student leaders who are feverishly active in Nepal. Prasain said he helped draft Gagan Thapa's now-famous statement. Prasain gave me Thapa's email address.

I also got to talk to Amresh Singh. He is from Sarlahi, currently working towards a PhD at JNU in International Relations. He has the famous SD Muni for Advisor. He used to teach Chemistry at Ascol in Kathmandu, but now he is into political stuff. He has focused on ethnic issues, and has been widely published. I suggested he publish stuff online because I know many Madhesis in the US who would love to have access to the kind of writings he seemed to be putting out.

Amreshji told me Nepali Times columnist CK Lal knows my name. I was much flattered, because I am a huge CK Lal fan. He also told me that the king in person explicitly told CK Lal to not write about the Madhesi cause.

The leaders are not for change. They want the status quo. They only fight for power. They want to keep the king. There is no clear agenda from the parties yet. And people have been reduced to being silent spectators. And foreigners wonder why people are not pouring out into the streets. But there is going to be a big surprise down the line. A new generation has been emerging.

The king can not be kicked out by the Maoists, that is for sure. But 2/1 has been like an appetizer. The big democratic feast is on the way. And Madhesis will get a "lift."

The first goal has to be to go Republican. The second goal has to be for a Constituent Assembly. But one has to be wary of the Maoists. They are only paying lip service to the multi-party idea. To them it is a tactical move.

Nepal is India-locked, not land-locked.

King Birendra said he will never send the army after the Maoists. And the Maoists only attacked the political parties. Was that a working unity between the two?

Not long after that I woke up Dr. Ram Baran Yadav without meaning to. I apologized, and hung up, saying I will call later.

In The News
  • Nepal's ex-PM 'won't join rebels' CNN International ... categorically dismissed speculations that his party could form a strategic alliance with the Maoists .... "Until they (the Maoists) lay down their arms, there is no question of us working with them or forming an alliance with them" .... the royalist government has progressively relaxed restrictions amid intense international pressure
  • Nepal ex-PM challenges emergency BBC News ...party would continue peaceful protests against the seizure of power .... demanded the restoration of fundamental rights and asked for the release of all those detained after the royal takeover .... He called for the creation of an all-party government to hold peace talks with Maoist rebels...... called on his party workers to join a "satyagraha" ..... Koirala said his party was committed to constitutional monarchy in the country despite the recent political upheavals .... hinted that things would not remain the same if the king continued to usurp people's fundamental rights ..... reinstating parliament was the only way of resolving the current political impasse
  • Crisis in our backyard Delhi Pioneer "when Nepal needs military equipment, we are free to receive them from any country...... Now that China has entered in the fray, the US cannot exert much pressure. Even when it exerted pressure on China to not supply nuclear missiles to Pakistan, China did it clandestinely and went on denying the US claims..... Around 50 lakh Nepalis live in India..... increasing anti-India sentiment in the establishment and academia ..... India's heart bled profusely over the loss of democracy in Nepal .... when we too face the Maoist threat in around half-a-dozen states ..... CPM polit-bureau member Sita Ram Yechuri has said "if the Maoists want to restore democracy, we are willing to show solidarity with them."
  • 10 anti-gov't guerrillas killed in Nepal Xinhua, China
  • Who'll Blink First? Political parties still believe in a constitutional monarchy, they want to give the king a face-saving way out, but they aren't in a position to be of any help..... The Nepali people are confused. The security forces were supposed to be chasing Maoists, but if there have been any major victories the army is not boasting about them. In fact, security forces had their hands full in thepast two months putting down pro-democracy rallies, keeping politicians in detention, enforcing censorship and intimidating the media. The people may want to give the king a chance, but the longer this drags on the more they will see February First for what it really was.
  • Sharad Chandra Shaha in Bangkok When questioned about bloggers in Nepal bypassing censorship, Shaha said he was unaware of it. He said there would be no crackdown against Nepal’s bold bloggers, which include www.blog.com.np and freenepal.blogspot.com. “They are free to do it. All you have to do is put it on the Internet and send it, right? What is the problem?” Shaha said. He defended media censorship, saying papers were exaggerating Maoists attacks and making them “sound as if they are larger than life”. He added: “You are from the press and you probably don’t like it but to some extent, a little bit of control of the press has seen to this problem.”
  • Will History Repeat Itself In Nepal? By Avantika Regmi .... The current situation in Nepal bears a striking similarity with the socioeconomic and political situation of France in 1789, at the beginning of the French revolution ..... In 1950, in his book Whither Nepal, my grandfather, a revolutionary of his time, described the Nepali aristocrats thus: “Nepal’s aristocracy is a blood sucking vampire, and a lording wolf. Outside the fold of these aristocrats there may not be even one hundred people socially and economically prosperous as they are…the aristocrats are alone one hundred and fifty, such is the concentration of wealth.” ...... a whopping 80 percent of the total population, are socioeconomically still where they were centuries before ...... According to the World Bank by 1991, 5 percent of the landed Nepalese owned 40 percent of the cultivated land. 8 out of 20 million peasants had no land and were severely impoverished. Nepal ranks amongst the worlds lowest in every human development aspect..... the rulers are confronting the problem only by labeling them - ‘Terrorists’. If they are indeed such, then I dare say there are 20 million potential terrorists ...... no jobs, no land and no promising future ...... Nepalese peasantry meanwhile continues to remain as impoverished as those of 18th century France ..... after his enthronement in 2002, he declared, “Under the circumstances, we have come to recognize that our enthronement was something preordained.” ...... there is time to bring both the parties to the negotiating table and avert the worst, if only the international community can get its act together fast
  • Dalits Of Nepal Dalits are 20% of the population, Janajatis are 37%. Tharu 6.7%, Chhetri 18%, Bramhin 12.7%, Yadav 3.9%, Magar/Bhujel 8.6%, Tamang/Sherpa 6.3%. There are 10 districts in which Dalits can win elections on their own. There has been only one Dalit MP in Nepali history. 80% of the Dalit population is below the poverty line. 70% of the Dalits are malnourished. Dalits face 205 different kinds of discrimination.
  • Anarchy Brought By Monarchy by Avantika Regmi “King Gyanendra and Prince Paras - the architects of anarchy of the monarchy in Nepal” ....His gameplan was to first bring peace, (ostensibly by defeating the Maoists militarily) and then the atmosphere would automatically become conducive for elections at the end of which multi-party democracy would return...... Gyanendra does not seem to have any real intention to bring peace for the purpose of holding elections. ..... the King in June 2004 issued a deadline to the political parties to come up with a ‘consesus canditate with a ‘clean image.’ When they did not respond, an advertisement was issued which asked potential PM canditates to file a petition and submit it at the royal palace gate...... All along the real motives of King Gyanendra had been to restart autocratic monarchy....... the Maoists of Nepal are fighting a political battle and are not the only terrorizing force .... closure of the Tibetan Refugee Welfare Office that had been operating for decades ..... During 2004, violence related to the rebellion cost an estimated 2,380 lives, including those of 209 members of Nepal’s police services, 240 soldiers, 1,457 Maoists and 474 civilians, according to the U. S. State Department.... anarchy being promoted by the state, whose autocratic head is the monarch ..... for the 12 years (1990 to Oct 2, 2002) that democracy functioned, (mostly ruled by the Nepali Congress) instead of governance we saw intra-party and inter-party squabbling, breaking of parties into factions, ‘politicization of the state institutions and government bureaucracy’, cronyism and nepotism; and institutionalized corruption. In those 12 years Nepal saw: K. P. Bhattarai (2 times), Girija Prasad Koirala (3 times), Manmohan Adhikari (1 time), Surya Bahadur Thapa (1 time) Lokendra Bahadhur Chand (1 time), Deuba (2 times) taking turns as PMs, i.e. we had regime change 11 times in 12 years ..... when the Maoist conflict was at its infancy, both G. P. Koirala and K. P. Bhattarai did not try for a peaceful resolution to this political problem ....... Bhattarai in his swearing ceremony as the PM on April 1998 announced that his priority was to end the Maoist insurgency. This was re-iterated by Koirala when he succeeded him. Both believed solution only through bullets. The official figure of the total deaths under the Koirala government (April 1998-May 1999) was 596 (457 as the result of police action). In Bhattarai’s 11 month tenure 420 people were killed...... Operation Romeo and later was conducted in the mid-western hills. They treated everyone as a potential Maoist and many innocent people were arrested, ill-treated, tortured and Operation Kilo Sierrakilled almost randomly .....dealing with the Maoist problem without any real understanding of the ground reality ..... Maoists are no better than the RNA under King Gyanendra as has been shown by the atrocities they have committed: killing and torturing suspected informers, army and policemen; kidnapping and forceful recruitment of children; looting and bombing of government and properties of those identified as class enemies and many other heinous human rights violations....... “more than one-third of Nepal’s 3,900 village development committee buildings have been destroyed, 19 districts are without telephone service, 250 post offices have been ruined and six airports have been closed.” ...... The three main players in Nepal have brought anarchy and are maintaing it to further their own agenda. .... The King believes that if anarchy continues the country would have no recourse but to stand behind him. Those who are not with him will be militarily eliminated....... One only saw a democratisation of corruption. Instead of hundreds we had thousands pilfering the state. After the King usurped power instead of a short duration decisive campaign they conducted a prolonged and weak campaign often bringing hardship to the common in the process...... The situation as it stands today can lead Nepal down 4 distinct paths of which the first 3 will lead to bloodletting. Path 1: King Gyanendra vanquishes the Maoists. Path 2: Maoists defeat King Gyanendra. Path 3: The status quo continues forever. Path 4: Peaceful resolution and democracy restored...... Path 4 is the sane one, but the million dollar question is who will bell the two cats: King Gyanendra (RNA) and the Maoists......a tripartite agreement among the three players and stationing of an international peace keeping force that disarms the Maoists, sends the RNA back to the barracks and creates a peaceful atmosphere to conduct elections in a time-bound manner. The elections should provide the three parties to test their support in Nepal.
  • 2005 UN Commission On Human Rights ..... adopt a strong resolution establishing a Special Rapporteur on Nepal and ensuring a strong international human rights monitoring presence in the country ...... “Nepal is a test case to measure the Commission’s willingness and ability to tackle human rights crises. Failure to act decisively will prove that not only do power politics prevent the consideration of serious human rights violations in large countries, but that the members of the Commission are incapable of acting to prevent a human rights disaster in any country.”...... Now, as countries large and small erode them in the name of security, the Commission must urgently act to preserve its own legacy .....“Reform must be geared towards ensuring that the UN’s human rights machinery can effectively deal with country situations, and retain its ability to name and shame countries with serious human rights violations” .... “Human rights abuses must be tackled whenever and wherever they arise — regardless of political interests.” .....

Koirala Disappoints: He Is The Same Worn Out Record


Girija Koirala wants to go back to 1993. Well, this is 2005, not 1993.

He wants the king to revive the parliament.
  1. This king will never do it. Because that will be tantamount to ceding center stage to Girija when he does not intend to, he does not have to.
  2. The 1990 constitution does not allow for a revived parliament. The parliament's term has expired.
Girija is talking stupid. He wants a revived parliament so his party becomes the biggest again, he gets to steal away many of Deuba's MPs, and Girija becomes Prime Minister again. This guy is not bothered that there actually is a civil war going on. He wants to maintain the status quo.
  • Nepal : Implacable Koirala avows fresh war on king New Kerala, India .... Koirala ruling out any immediate understanding with King Gyanendra .... Koirala, four-time former prime minister and chief of the Nepali Congress party, also ruled out heeding the call by the international community, especially India, to reach an understanding with Gyanendra and start peace talks with the communist guerrillas...... said he did not recognise the new government as constitutional and his party would be holding consultations with other parties for a new agitation strategy ..... implacable Koirala said the Maoists were not the gravest problem ..... "The gravest destabilising factor is the palace," he said. "Since Oct 4, 2002, (when King Gyanendra sacked prime minister Sher Bahadur Deuba the first time), he had been manoeuvring to assume direct rule. But all his experiments have failed. He has no alternative now." ..... Koirala said he would hold talks with King Gyanendra only if the king reinstated parliament, lifted the state of emergency, released detainees and restored total media freedom. ...... The king has to take immediate steps (to tackle the immediate disruptions), not us," he said. "The king has to take the initiative." ...... "We thank the friendly nations who have helped to restore democracy in Nepal but this is a problem between us and the king. We will decide how to solve it, no one else." ...... Koirala said the media was giving undue importance to the rebels. "If the people and the parties come together, they will be isolated," he said. "The biggest threat is the direct rule assumed by the king." He also ruled out reaching any understanding with the Maoists till they gave up violence.
  • Koirala avows fresh war on king Times of India
  • Freed Koirala vows to intensify agitation against King Press Trust of India Koirala today vowed to mobilise all political forces to launch a widespread agitation against King Gyanendra's seizure of power even as he thanked India for supporting their fight against the authoritarian rule ..... The agitation will continue till full-fledged democracy is restored and it will be further intensified .... told a crowded press conference at his party office ...... he would mobilise all political forces to launch a widespread agitation against the direct assumption of power by King ..... about 1,500 political activists from various parties, including Nepal Communist Party-UML General Secretary Madhav Kumar Nepal, were still in detention ..... expressed his sincere thanks to the friendly countries, including India, for supporting the political parties' fight against the authoritarian rule. "But it is our problem and we must solve it by ourselves." Demanding reinstatement of Parliament, Koirala said it would resolve the political problems and the Maoist issue.
It is time to present a Gorkha Dakshin Bahu to Girija for his decades-long contribution to the cause of democracy and retire him. He is of that age.

Instant Messenger Conversation With Rajendra Mahto

Paramendra Bhagat says:
hello
Rajendra says:
Hello pappu
Rajendra says:
how r u?
Paramendra Bhagat says:
all good .. kaise hain?
Rajendra says:
Tik hai
Paramendra Bhagat says:
intjar kar rahe the aap ka messenger par .... kai deen se
Paramendra Bhagat says:
audio hai?
Rajendra says:
sorry, kai din ke bad yaya hu
Paramendra Bhagat says:
it's all good
Paramendra Bhagat says:
girija nikle, so news padhe, lekin unka koi statement nahin out huwa hai ..... at least not that i know of
Paramendra Bhagat says:
hridayeshji kaise hain?
Rajendra says:
Aj girija babu ka press meet tha likin sab Gobar kar diya
Paramendra Bhagat says:
kyon? kaise?
Rajendra says:
Koi accha statement nahi ayay
Paramendra Bhagat says:
okay
Rajendra says:
fir ohi raja se milneku bat , parliament revive and all party govt. as like this.
Paramendra Bhagat says:
ye congress wale sambidhan sabha ke taraf nahin jayenge kya? waho purani rut laga rakhe hain
Rajendra says:
sabhi log nirash hai aha par
Paramendra Bhagat says:
that will not work ...... wo log ek tir do sikar karna chahte hain ... ek hi tir se maobadi aur sadbhavana dono ko out karna chahte hain
Rajendra says:
O khud hi out ho jaenge
Paramendra Bhagat says:
to un ko retire kiya jaye ...umr bhi to ho gayee ...... democracy ke yogdan ke liye Gorkha Dakshin Bahu de ke retire kar diya jaye
Rajendra says:
tik kaha ap ne
Rajendra says:
Koirala and company Full Democracy ke liye kabhi nahi larega.
Paramendra Bhagat says:
mere bichar mein hum sadbhavana wale .... we wanted Sambidhan Sabha before Maobadis ....... federal government ki mang to aap log bahut pahle se kar rahe hain
Paramendra Bhagat says:
that is true
Rajendra says:
Pahariyo ko Raja se power ka bhag banda chahiye.
Paramendra Bhagat says:
true
Paramendra Bhagat says:
republic hogee to President Rajendra Mahto declare ho sakte hain .... monarchy rahegi to Raja Rajendra Mahto nahin ...no chance
Paramendra Bhagat says:
monarchy to pahadi institution hai
Rajendra says:
bas tik yehi bat hai
Paramendra Bhagat says:
waise to i am against violence .... lekin abhi ke crisis mein Sambidhan Sabha nahin kar sake to baad mein kabhi karenge?
Rajendra says:
ab mujhako lagta hai Full democracy ke liye, consituent assembly and federal system ke liye madheshi ko larana chahiye.
Paramendra Bhagat says:
Peace time mein dikkat ho jayegi ...... crisis ka phayada uthana jaroori hai .... making creative use of crisis
Paramendra Bhagat says:
common minimum program = Constituent Assembly
Rajendra says:
Raja ke presence me hone bala sambidhan sabha kaisa hoga?
Paramendra Bhagat says:
Constituent Assembly ke liye Nepali Congress aa jane ke baad civil war turant samapt ho jayegi
Rajendra says:
Raja jo sambhidhan sabha ka election karwaega oh sambidhan kaisa banega thora anuman lagaiye/
Paramendra Bhagat says:
sab party Constituent Assembly ke liye aa jaye to civil war samapt ...... yani ki jo party sabha ke liye nahin rajee ho rahe hain, they have blood on their hands
Paramendra Bhagat says:
Sarbadaliya Sarkar, Sambidhan Sabha ..............have to go together
Rajendra says:
Nahi
Paramendra Bhagat says:
why not?
Paramendra Bhagat says:
election raja nahin all-party government hi kar sakti hai
Rajendra says:
jab tak Military raja ke hath me rahega sambhidhan shba ka election nam ke liye hoga, Raja ko stamp lagane ki ba t hoga
Paramendra Bhagat says:
king ko option 1: Sarbadaliya Sarkar, Sambidhan Sabha ...diya jaye .... option 2: Democratic Republic ....... skip option 1
Rajendra says:
1990 se bhi bhura sambhidhan banega
Paramendra Bhagat says:
delhi mein aap log ka kais activity hai? wahin se nepal worker sab ko phone kar ke coordinate karte hain?
Rajendra says:
Republic me hone bala sambhidhan sabha ublic ke anusar ka sanbidha tab banega.
Paramendra Bhagat says:
yani republic first?
Rajendra says:
yes
Paramendra Bhagat says:
girija ka statement .... i just read .... wahi ghisi piti baat ......
Rajendra says:
Emocracy ka dusman to Raja hi hai na/
Paramendra Bhagat says:
true
Paramendra Bhagat says:
delhi mein jo bibhinna party ke log sab hai, unka kya mood hai?
Rajendra says:
Constitutional monarcy ke tahat raja rahana hi nahi chahta hai to kya kiya jaye. aa to monarcy aa to rupblican , eske bad todsara rasta kya hai ?
Paramendra Bhagat says:
true
Paramendra Bhagat says:
you can not force Gyanendra to become Constitutional Monarch when HE himself is not interested
Rajendra says:
Nepal me sabhi party me raja ka penitration hai , jo dikai deta hai bastab me o rahata nahi hai
Paramendra Bhagat says:
power us ke paas hai, is liye
Paramendra Bhagat says:
power hai, paisa hai, log ko tang karne ki capacity hai .....
Rajendra says:
Ab nepal me Raja wadhi or Raja birodhi , ki rajniti hogi
Paramendra Bhagat says:
Congress ke hi student wing mein to pura Republican fervor hai ...... sirf old people are for constitutional monarchy
Rajendra says:
Moibadi ka ab parkcha baki hai , yah bhi asali Republican hai ya nahi?
Paramendra Bhagat says:
why do you say that? wo to sab deen se republican hain..
Paramendra Bhagat says:
actually they are the only party that are formally Republican
Rajendra says:
Congress me jo koirala kahata hai ohi hota hao
Paramendra Bhagat says:
true
Paramendra Bhagat says:
girija sambidhan sabha mein nahin jayega .......he wants revived parliament, steal away Deuba's MPs, become Prime Minister again, back to 1993 .... not going to happen
Rajendra says:
Mhujha ko sabhi pahari par sanka lagta hai, kyo ki sabhi pahari raja ko apn pahariwad ka batbrikcha mant a hai
Paramendra Bhagat says:
mukhya baat hai waise civil war to samapt nahin hogee ..... plus, that whole strategy depends on the KING reviving the parliament ..... the king will never do it .........so Girija is banging his head against a rock
Paramendra Bhagat says:
true .... US mein bhi bahut pahadi sab raja ko support kar rahe hain..... kathmandu ke upper class type log .......
Rajendra says:
Nepali janata ko parliament revive ya all party govt se matlab nahi ahi
Paramendra Bhagat says:
the monarchy is a Nepali Speaking High Caste Male institution
Rajendra says:
yes fir bhi thira bahut Maowadhi par thora bharosa hai
Paramendra Bhagat says:
mere bichar mein Republic goal to hai, lekin sab se bloodless, simple way to go there = Sambidhan Sabha ...... it is the only meeting point for all forces, since we can not change the Monarchists, Girija and the Maoists
Paramendra Bhagat says:
Sadbhavana ne Madhesi ke liye jo kiya, Maobadi ne Janajati ke liye so kiya
Rajendra says:
Abhi sambidhan sabha ka election kis bat ke liye , pahale taye hona chahiye,
Paramendra Bhagat says:
isi liye Sadbhavana should strongly support their call for Sambidhan Sabha ...... wo to hum do force ke beech meeting point hai
Paramendra Bhagat says:
Step 1 kya ho?
Rajendra says:
Raja ko majabut karne ke liye sambidhan sabha se Madheshi ya Nepali Democrate ko kya faida hoga/
Paramendra Bhagat says:
Step 1: Sarbadaliya Sarkar with a 1-point agenda of Step 2: Sambidhan Sabha
Paramendra Bhagat says:
is mein kya dikkat hai?
Rajendra says:
All party govt ke babjudh bhi Acha sambhidhan nahi banega
Paramendra Bhagat says:
what do you suggest? step 1? step 2?
Paramendra Bhagat says:
sambidhan to all-party government nahin banayegi .... it will only conduct electiosn to Sabha
Rajendra says:
Maowadi ko chorkar sabhi party Raja ko bachana chahta hai.
Rajendra says:
Mouwadi apne agenda par age badhe, aj nahi to kal people Republican me jayegi.
Paramendra Bhagat says:
but that will mean continued civil war
Paramendra Bhagat says:
no peace ..... and the Maoists might lose!!
Paramendra Bhagat says:
akele wo log kab tak ladenge? they are not that strong
Rajendra says:
First , Raja ke sambhandha me kya soch hai , fir age ka ranniti tayae kiya ja sakta hai
Paramendra Bhagat says:
wo log to republican hain ...... lekin they are willing to go for Sabha to let the people decide if they want to keep the monarchy
Paramendra Bhagat says:
ho sakta hai sabhi party raja ko bachana chahte hain..... to unko kahiye ..... but first end civil war ...... and the only way to do that is to agree to constituent assembly ..... kya baat? Bangkok mein sirf natak huwa? ........... party wale sambidhan sabha discard kar diye?
Rajendra says:
Aj ke din me sambidhan sabha se bhi madheshi ko kucha nahi milega, ah antarik bat hai , kyoki madhesi janata etana jagruk abhi bhi nahi huya hai m abhi bhi ye congress or uml jaisi party ko hi Vote pole kare ge, ah aps ki bat hai.
Paramendra Bhagat says:
well then so be it ........... ballot box ke marfat janata jo bole us ko to manjoor karnee hi paregi ......
Paramendra Bhagat says:
lekin mujhe lagta hai, even if the monarchy stays after Sabha ... wo England ke monarchy ki tarah rahegi .... kam se kam Musharrafism to samapt hoga
Rajendra says:
Esh paristhiti me Madhesh ko to kuch bhi nahi miliga, ulta future me pahariyo ko kahne ke liye ah hojaga ki janata ne sambhidhan banaya ahi , madheshi or sadbhawana wale kyo birodh karte hai, ahi beoharik bat hai.
Rajendra says:
Britain ke monarcy me rahane wala raja last 2 years or 1 feb se kya kar raha hai
Rajendra says:
Britain ke monarcy jaise raja rahe to kisi ko apti nahi haogi
Paramendra Bhagat says:
agar madhesi log sambidhan sabha ke election mein federal government wale candidate ko vote nahin denge to that means they don't want federal government ....... so be it .............. "Power flows through the ballot box."
Paramendra Bhagat says:
wahi to baat hai .... Sambidhan Sabha ke baad jo naya sambidhan banegi .... wo document hi raja ko army se alaga karegi .........
Rajendra says:
Lekin mujha ko lagata hai Gyanendra Active Monarcy se niche anewale anhi hai , kisi na kisi nam par.
Paramendra Bhagat says:
but he does not have that choice
Paramendra Bhagat says:
us ko agar hatana bhi hai to Sabha ke marfat hi hataya ja sakta hai
Paramendra Bhagat says:
that will be the best, most efficient way
Rajendra says:
Army abhi raja ko chorne ke mood me nahi hai
Paramendra Bhagat says:
but the army will not have that option
Paramendra Bhagat says:
in my opinion ............ sabhi party ko Sarbadaliya Sarkar, Sambidhan Sabha ...........is common minimum program par ek kiya jaye
Rajendra says:
Ek bar janata ke nam ka sambidhan sabha se Jis rup me raja ko stamp lag jayega, bad me our dikat hogi.
Paramendra Bhagat says:
there is no other way to end the civil war
Paramendra Bhagat says:
Sarbadaliya Sarkar, Sambidhan Sabha
Paramendra Bhagat says:
this makes room for all 3 forces: (1) Monarchists (2) Maobadis (3) Parties
Paramendra Bhagat says:
Sarbadaliya Sarkar, Sambidhan Sabha ke alabe dusra koi meeting ground hi nahin hai
Rajendra says:
Nepal me jab tak raja rahega tab tak koi bhi system sucess nahi hoga
Paramendra Bhagat says:
us CMP par agar sab party manjoor ho jaye to bhi raja Sarbadaliya Sarkar, Sambidhan Sabha par ane mein hichkichayegi, but he will be forced to ............. lekin abhi to us par koi pressure bhi nahin hai
Paramendra Bhagat says:
to aap ko lagta hai direct Democratic Republic ke liye movement jaree rakha jaye?
Paramendra Bhagat says:
unending, ceaseless street movements and mobilisation?
Paramendra Bhagat says:
that is an idea
Paramendra Bhagat says:
wahan ka taja taka local conditions aap ko maloom hai, mere ko nahin
Rajendra says:
Nepal ki sabhi party ko raja kabhi bhi ek nahi hone dega, na sbhi party common agenda banayege na raja ko kuch karna pare ga
Paramendra Bhagat says:
so what do you suggest?
Rajendra says:
na nau man tel hogi na radha anchegi
Rajendra says:
ar par ki larai
Paramendra Bhagat says:
agar sabhi party CMP nahin banayegi to raja will go on for 3 years
Rajendra says:
ohi hone wala hai
Rajendra says:
3 years nahi aur lambha samaye tak
Paramendra Bhagat says:
CMP 1: Sarbadaliya Sarkar, Sambidhan Sabha CMP 2: Democratic Republic ............. option 1 less revolutionary hai ..... teesra option: do nothing, let the Maoists and Monarchists fight each other out
Rajendra says:
Sabhi party me raja ka penitration hai , kabhi bhi sabhi party ek nahi hoga,
Rajendra says:
Democratic Rupblic tik hai
Paramendra Bhagat says:
agar sabhi party CMP1 ya CMP 2 par nahin aa sakte hain, to Nepal becomes Pakistan ......
Rajendra says:
Pakistan ban cuka hai , pakistan hi nahi Taliwan banega.
Paramendra Bhagat says:
jo party sab Sarbadaliya Sarkar, Sambidhan Sabha bhi manne ko tayar nahin hai wo Democratic Republic kab se manne lage?
Paramendra Bhagat says:
true .... more like Taliban
Rajendra says:
Party me Raja ka kaja hai ishi liye partyo se bhahut asha nahi kijiye
Paramendra Bhagat says:
Maobadi miltarily Kathmandu capture karne ki sthiti mein nahin hai... is liye Raja indefinitely power mein rahega
Rajendra says:
Raja step soch bichar ke hi uthaya hai
Paramendra Bhagat says:
which means parties are out, it is a fight between Rajabadi and Maobadi, let's just sit and watch who wins
Paramendra Bhagat says:
he is cunning, clever, wo to hai
Rajendra says:
yes
Paramendra Bhagat says:
wo to sit-and-watch responsible baat nahin huwee
Paramendra Bhagat says:
irresponsible baat huwee
Rajendra says:
Kya kijiye ga party sab beiman hai
Paramendra Bhagat says:
Sarbadaliya Sarkar, Sambidhan Sabha ke liye sabhi party ke approach kiya jaye aur unka statement public kiya jaye
Rajendra says:
raja se chakari karke hi kuch pana chahta hai
Paramendra Bhagat says:
coalition build karne mehnat ki baat to hai hi
Paramendra Bhagat says:
delhi mein sabhi party ke log hain?
Paramendra Bhagat says:
sab ka phone number hamein pathaiye
Paramendra Bhagat says:
hum baat karte hain
Rajendra says:
nepal ki janat a great change chahti hai. jisko main strem ki party address nahi kar pa rahi hai
Paramendra Bhagat says:
mere observation mein there is no other way out
Paramendra Bhagat says:
then paties will have to change and go where the people are, which is for great change
Rajendra says:
Delhi se lagbhag sabhi log chale gaye hai
Paramendra Bhagat says:
Goal: Democratic Republic Method: Sarbadaliya Sarkar, Sambidhan Sabha Homework: Relentless Dialogue Among All Political Parties
Rajendra says:
krishna sitaula NC 9891337128
Paramendra Bhagat says:
Raja ko politically isolate karna jaroori hai, nahin to is baar Panchayat phir se 10 saal ke liye kayam rah sakti hai
Paramendra Bhagat says:
aur bhi dijiye
Paramendra Bhagat says:
tripathyji
Paramendra Bhagat says:
ka kya hai?
Rajendra says:
sujata koirala 9871039925
Paramendra Bhagat says:
with your permission, i will post this conversation online at my blog, is that okay?
Rajendra says:
Dr ram baran yadav 9891213871
Rajendra says:
tripathi ji nahi hai
Paramendra Bhagat says:
sitaula aur koirala ji ko pahle introduce karwayen ... so they know who i am when i call .............. bihar mein log "Laloo Ka Aadmee" kah ke apne aap ko introduce karwate hain ..... mujhe "Rajendra Mahto Ka Aadmee" kah ke boliye
Paramendra Bhagat says:
wo kahan gaye?
Paramendra Bhagat says:
maobadi ka phone number hai kisi ka?
Paramendra Bhagat says:
is there any way to talk to Baburam Bhattarai or Mahara or Prachanda? wo log BBC to barobar interview dete hain ..... phone number to hoga hi .....
Rajendra says:
Acha,Sitaula NC ka organisation chief hai sujata girija babu ki beti hai
Paramendra Bhagat says:
wo to i know
Paramendra Bhagat says:
Paramendra Bhagat says:
sorry, kick out ho gaya tha..i am back
Rajendra says:
voice convertation subidha nahi hai
Paramendra Bhagat says:
okay
Paramendra Bhagat says:
main abhi kuchh samay mein call karoonga
Rajendra says:
Sabse acha Mauwadi ka Democratic Republic line hai
Paramendra Bhagat says:
wo to hai.... but how to get there?
Paramendra Bhagat says:
Goal: Democratic Republic Method: Sarbadaliya Sarkar, Sambidhan Sabha Homework: Relentless Dialogue Among All Political Parties
Paramendra Bhagat says:
this is what i propose
Rajendra says:
Sabse acha hota Girija babu Full Democracy ke liye kahte , Aj ka BBC suniyega
Paramendra Bhagat says:
abhi king sab se powerful hai .... us ko politically isolate karna jaroori hai
Paramendra Bhagat says:
okay
Paramendra Bhagat says:
to Girija se gupp kiya jaye
Paramendra Bhagat says:
kahiye unko
Paramendra Bhagat says:
ek hi coalition mein jate hain, lekin unko utna nahin kar sakte
Rajendra says:
Horahi hai but...........
Paramendra Bhagat says:
okay
Paramendra Bhagat says:
abhi wo turant bahar aye hain ... the iron is hot .... time to strike
Rajendra says:
Dekhiye nepal ka future kya hai ,
Rajendra says:
phone kijiyega mai wait karuga
Paramendra Bhagat says:
i will call you soon
Paramendra Bhagat says:
in 15 minutes
Rajendra says:
okey
Paramendra Bhagat says:
abhi .... pahle ye talk blog par publish karte hain
Paramendra Bhagat says:
20 minutes
Paramendra Bhagat says:
ok bye
Rajendra says:
call after one hour
Rajendra says:
pls
Paramendra Bhagat says:
ok 1 hour
Rajendra says:
ok
Rajendra says:
bye
Paramendra Bhagat says:
thanks for your time ... messenger par aate rahiye time time par
Rajendra says:
ok, thanks
Paramendra Bhagat says:
talk to you in 60 minutes
Rajendra says:
ok
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