Sunday, February 04, 2007

Inbox 11

Lalit Jha wrote:

Below is the email I posted on the ND forum site this afternoon:

Dear distinguished ND forum members!
I have read several post from Pahade brothers and sisters in the forum
that have shown moral support for the "genuine" greivance of on going
Madheshi movement. Frankly, to see this kind of support is heart
warming. However, I still wonder if this support from fellow pahade
brothers and sisters is really from surface or from the heart? In
other terms is it just "lip service"? How does one know for sure and
differenciate? Is it possible that when same fellow pahadi people when
seeing someone in "dhoti" or "kurta pajama" in Nepali convention
asumes that person is from India ; could have true understanding of
Madheshi greivance in four weeks? Similarly, the pahade politicians
and population who did not think of addressing severe "under
representation" of Madhesi during the formulation of "interim
constitution"; have had change of heart in four weeks to sincerely do
something about it? Are they (Pahades in Nepal and US) are being
only "politically correct"?
In fact my bigger questions to fellow pahade intellectual friends are:
What made you so ignorant about Madhesh and Madheshi people's right
that you could treat them as second class citizens (do not take this
personally, this is generic question) Was it the lack of education,
parents influence, ...? Most of the influencial pahadi in Nepal were/
are exposed to Terai so they have had to have knowledge of double
standard.
Did you ever wonder about almost zero represenatation of Madheshi
peole in Nepali government (Political, administtraion, army, etc..)?
How did you justify this in your mind?
What could/should have been done when you were growing up to change
your thinking about Madheshi's and have compassion for their plight?
How would you show that you have had change of heart in regards to
Madheshi's plight that is supported by hard evidence?
Some of you know me by now! I ask these questions to understand each
other. Please do not take these questions personally. I hope to learn
the truth from honest discussion and hopefully use the wisdom to bring
healing.
On side note: I'm collecting funds for Victims of Terai Unrest on
behalf of ANTA. I take this opportunity to take swipe at my Pahade
friends :) as you can see from the list of person who have pledged,
almost all but one pahade
frineds name is there. I would like to see our pahade freinds come
forward and donate not necessarily through only ANTA but also thorugh
other Nepali association. I request to the executive committee
members of other association (ANMA, NASeA, ANA, NRNA etc,,) to raise
funds as they did during other tragic events in Nepal . What's going
on in Terai is tragic event which will impact all sect, ethnic people
of Nepal . This movement needs more then press rerelease (lip service,
which we really appreciate also). Please make effort to contribute to
create New Nepal from heart. Use whatever skill god had given you;
literary, finance, facilitator, etc.. for good use. I would like to
thank NAC for considering the donation of existing funds for the Terai
Victims.
Sorry that this email is long. Look forward to hear honest opinion
on this great forum
Sincerely
Lalit Jha
ANTA
www.terai.org


Thanks Bhagat jee for your update and information and contribution for new
nepal. I am shariong your thoughts to my broad networks also and they have
appreciated your efforts.
Pls delete my office address and just send me yahoo only which you are
doing. I will not be anymore using this office email id.

With best regards,

Govinda P. Neupane
Grants Manager
USAID/ARD Inc Rule of Law Project
Manbhawan-20, Lalitpur, Nepal
Phone- 555-5557/8/9

Hi!
This is English verson. Please forward

Hi!
Please forward this to all.

Please remove my yahoo ID from your distribution list
chij
KSA


Parmendra jee

Could you please email to me your contact phone no so I can call and talk to you about a possible interview for the VOA Hindi? . Please send it as soon as possible. Thanks

rashmi shukla

Managing Editor/Hindi Service, VOA in Washington DC


LAGE RAHO PARAMENDRA BHAI.... DILLI AB DOOR NAHI!!

plz update your list with Smrithi Narayn Chaudhary=9841523545. Also call for pressure for Situala has to go

Dear all,

I am forwarding you this for your information. The Office of High
Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR-Nepal) is organising today at 3:0 PM a
meeting of leaders from the seven party alliance - representing the
government. Some of the civil societies will also attend this meeting. Let
us hope something positive would come up. I will let you know the major
outputs.

There were heavy police firing yesterday (4 February in Nepal) in Sarlahi
and Birgunj - 4 people died. Altogether 22 people have been shot dead and
850 people are injured by the government led by Girija Prasad Koirala,
Nepali Congress. Madheshi people have elected a large number of MPs, both
Pahadi and Madheshi, from Nepali Congress Party. Unfortunately, this party
has gone against the wishes of Madheshi people. WE ELECTED THEM TO RULE AND
NOW THEY ARE KILLING US. Some of the Madheshi MPs (for example Dr. Ram
Baran Yadav and 5 more) from this party are against the current madheshi
movement. They are behaving like slaves to their masters. Now we need a
Madheshi Democratic Party. Let us hope some sensible politicians would work
on this line.

Best regards,
Shree


Dear Paramendra,

Please don't send these emails to this address any more,

Robin


Great and right on the target e-mail.

cheers,
prabhat

Dear Parmendra Jee,

I forwarded current data of Nepal if you would like to forcast in public media this will be assest to the Madheshi rights.

Rajendra P. Shah

Dear All

I extend my heartfelt thanks to Dr Shah for his extensive research and
presentation of a viable solution for the Madhes problem.

However, I dont agree that this is Revolution III. In my view this is
Revolution I for the rights of Madhesis. This is Madhesh Uprising. This kind
of revolution we have never seen in history. Madhesis did take active role
in revolution I and II and sacrificed many lives, but for so called ----------and very few Madhesi opportunists like .............

This MADHES UPRISING is for madhesi, fought under its own leadeship, on its
own soil against fuedal thinking of so called democrats/communists like
Girija, MKN, SBD and Prachand. Even this fight is agains steply behavior of
the self claimed nepalese civil society, human right organizatios and INGOs.

I agree with Dr shah regarding the talk modality but nothing is mentioned
about creating conducive environment for the talk. In my opinion, the first
step should to form a powerful committee under one of supreme court Madhesi
Judge to find out atrocities and use of exessive force against the peaceful
demonstration through out the Terai Region and punish all responsible. More
than 20 people have died since Feb3 and it will surpass the revolution II
casualty number soon. The home minister must resign to open the door for
talk.

I agree with his provincial set up, however the number of districts should
be decreased to half to make administrative function financially viable. at
present the size of districts are too small. Therefore instead of making 5
zones and 20 districts, just make 10 districts as per geography and language
and gove each district enough autonomy to mobilize its resources for
socio-economic development. Under this district, VDC and Municipality will
function as grass root level government. this will remove one layer of
berocracy and decrease the administrative cost drastically. The size of
district will be sustaibale and governable.

Seperate Madhes State, Proportional representation of Madhesis in central
parliament and government with redelineated constituencies as per geography,
language and inclusion of madhesi in all state functionary as per their
population are the prerequisites for the success of the proposed talk. If
the government fail to recongnize the need of the day and try hatch some
conpiracy, it will lead the country in situation where disintegration will
be inevitable.

I hope the G(J)IDDI Prashad Koirala will understand the situation and
respond responsively.

ajay


Dear All

I would like to respond to the article published by Dr Devkota and Dr Gautam
in Kantipur http://www.kantipuronline.com/kolnews.php?&nid=80799.

I appriciate his thinking of 3 tier of governance system which will
drasticall reduce the administrative hassales and costs. the administration
will be financially feasible. However, the region that they have proposed
Koshi, Gandak and karnali is age old thinking of rana regime which is bound
to fail in lebrated, multi racial, multi ethenic society prevalent in Nepal.
His rational seems to be purely academic and based on geographic and
economic assumptions and analysis similar to the Dr H Gurungs 70s division
of country in development region but with autonomy. I would like to request
you all the solution to slow development dynamics in Nepal can not be solved
from western and american perspective where everything is governed by mkt
force.

the academic theories developed and tested in west must be localized i e
local social fabric and incidents must be taken into account. In this regard
our own past experience and experience of India could be handy. If we add
the social factor in gegraphic and economic, it will be clear that the we
need 4 tier of governance like national/central, Regional/Provinceal,
Districts and local governments in our model of federal system.

One nation: Nepal
Two Provinces: Pahad and Madhes
5 Regions in each Province and Kathmandu Valley as per geography and
language, Name of each region can be finalized rationally
25-30 District on the basis of population density. One district per 1
Million population, as per geography and language
Local level: Cities and Towns

I hope this will satisfy even terai community and trigger the process of
inclusive democracy and development of Nepal in totality

Ajay
>From: Pushkar Pushkar
>Reply-To: NepalOfficers@yahoogroups.com
>To: nepalofficers@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Nepal-Officers] P E, RA & S I ........ ...some published
>..........by Shiva Gautam
>Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 07:28:55 -0800 (PST)
>
>Dear All,
> I humbly request you to consider the below mentioned message and links
>concerning our debatable issues of the week which I received from Shiva sir
>in my personal mailbox. He is affiliated with the Harvard University,
>United States. Thanks
> Sincerely yours’
> Moderator
> Shiva Gautam wrote:
> Dear Pushkar ji,
>
>I have written/written opeds on the concept of proportional representation
>and restructuring of the nation which were published in Kathamndu post and
>Nepalnews.com . I am providing the link below. The first one uses some
>mathematics and shows (form the graph, but actually you can prove using
>calculus) that theoretically, if you elect 9 people,using proportional
>represetation, from a geographical unit (we candefine the unit any way we
>want- eg. one unit may consist 100000 people) provides the optimal
>representation. I am not saying we must follow this but could provide some
>basis on which we can build, fine tune and adjust etc.)
>
>If you want you can reproduce these for the group one at a time (could be
>too much to read all of them) or all or none of the articles ( I think you
>already published the last one ). I know there are others models to by
>different people and I am not claiming these are the best - just one angle
>amongst sevreal angles out there
>
>Thanks
>Shiva
>
>http://www.nepalnews.com/archive/2006/others/guestcolumn/jul/guest_columns_22.php
>http://www.kantipuronline.com/kolnews.php?&nid=80799
>http://www.kantipuronline.com/kolnews.php?&nid=86167
>http://www.kantipuronline.com/kolnews.php?&nid=97631


Author: Dr. Tilak B. Shrestha, USA
It really is a bad idea to divide Nepal and make it a federal system.
Our problem is not being non-federal, nor being federal will solve it.

How about problems more pronounced within Terai: Dalits, Women, Tharu etc.
Are you also talking about federal states for Dalits, Women etc. in Terai?

Our problem is non-empowerment of many sub-groups of our people.
That must be addressed. The best way to do that is to recognize
such sub-groups, and then design strategies towards empowerment.
That is best done by providing targeted better educational opportunities,
economic opportunities, and political participation. For example take a case
of a Dalit woman in Terai. She is in triple zeopardy. How her problem will
be solved by the federal system? By dividing Nepal to Madhesh. Let us not
forget that she is being exploited by her own neighbors, her own male
member of family, and in Terai. Can we solve it by beating up a high caste,
male Nepali some where up in the Hill? How about giving her educational
opportunity, job and encouragement to vote? It may not sound sexy or
violent enough, but such steps do make society move.

Dividing Nepal creates more problem without solving any. It is really
a shortsightedness and intellectual poverty to consider our problem
as a tension between Hill and Terai people. This is accurate neither
historically nor socially. Our problem is feudal lords soaking up revenue
in and from all over Nepal. That includes both Hill and Terai lords in their
own place. Most of the Hill people in Terai are economic migrants.
Matter of fact they are migrating to India also. It is strictly for
livelihood. The motivation is the lack of opportunity in Hill. They are trying to make
a living, not exploiting Terai people. When did Hill people invade Terai?
How a Gurung from Annapurna mountain or a Sherpa from Solokhumbu
exploited a Madhesi in Janakpur? Are they a part of exploiting class or
a part of exploited class in a different setting?

Yes, we must express in concrete term that Nepal is a multi-lingual and
a multi-ethnic nation as being declared time and time again, in old or
new constitutions. How do you propose to do that? Is it by education,
having cultural zones; or violence and division?

What is a Nepali nationhood? Can we see unity in diversity or only
irreconcilable differences? If a Newar from Kathmandu cannot distinguish
a Madheshi Nepali from a Indian tourist, where is the hostility? Is it a
matter of simply correcting a mis-understanding or a legitimate case for violence?

It is so sad to see a few disgruntled and intellectually lazy people trying
to vent their anger against weakening Nepalese nationalism. When Europeans
with a long history of animosity and wars are coming together to create
European Union. We sadly are talking about dividing Nepal and start a civil
war.

Sincerely,
Tilak B. Shrestha, Ph.D.
Birmingham, Alabama.


Re: good... but donto go such way bro... we all are Nepali and we have to fight against maoist first

hey dude can u delete my id from urs adress book iam tried with ur jank
mail plz

please remove my email address from your mailing list.
krishna

Please paramendra ji

dont see misterious dream that evoke ur glass dream toward encounter with
the iron .

Please Please Please
ur scene of the butcher likely to meet the accident that happened terai
thats write but sadly i'm saying if u and like ur tendency will have been
regularly invited to ur poor group. so keep ur propganda there in newyork
and start ur sacrifice to make new nepal.
dont accused other . first see ur face in ur persona mirror and take action.

sincerely
R.R. chaudhari



Dear all,

(Think-tank, Politicians, academicians, professionals, researchers, Civil Servants, diplomats, civic society students, friends, freelancers and others,)

I would like to humbly extend the below mentioned issues for discussion topics of the week.

At first you need to decide whether below mentioned demand are possible or not? Afterward you need to write the complete logics behind your agree or disagree……... If you are agreeing in favor of the issues, kindly write, how it could be possible? What will be the possible Action Plan and Module with suitable timeframe? In addition, what types of legal, structural and procedural change are essential to achieve the goal?

Therefore, please write your worthy opinions, experiences, models, suggestions and concrete action plan on the below mentioned any one or more Issues. I hope you all will actively participate and contribute to settle down the ongoing booming conflict of Nepal. One more important thing is that your suitable writings will be highly appreciable and will be forwarded to the concerned authorities for their references during decision-making process. Thank you.

Discussion/Debatable topic of the week

1. Constituent Assembly (CA) election with proportional electorate system,

2. Establishment of regional autonomous governance system including right to self- determination

3. Rational and legitmat Social Inclusion of Madheshese and other sheduleds and deprived communities in over all State Affarirs

I think you all take it seriously as your natioanl responsibility and will contribute in this issues with high efforts.Thanks

Best regards'

Krishna Hari Pushkar

DAAD Fellow for Peace and Conflcit Research

UNI-Magdeburg , Germany

www.peacenepal.net

I don to hear all this .

so please stay out of my way.

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